it\u2019s a pleasing and tidy thought but i don\u2019t think it\u2019s true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
like \u201cprotestant\u201d is not a generic name for \u201coffshoots of the Latin church\u201d. \u201cprotestant\u201d refers to a very specific ecclesiastical current grounded in issues from 500 years ago<\/p>\n\n\n\n
some protestants like to point to offshoots *before* the 16th century and go \u201clol it us\u201d. sometimes this became true because, like, although the Waldensians started in the 12th century, they hung around long enough so that they joined up with the Calvinists, so you can reasonably call them pre- protestants or something. And the Hussites of course<\/p>\n\n\n\n
but like albigensians or the early slightly heterodox church fathers? not convincing to me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
similarly, I don\u2019t find a claim that the trad caths are protestants to be convincing. in reformation theology terms, the currents they draw on are *counterreformational* ones, and they make sounds that it is the mainstream church that has moved in a protestant direction. i think this is pretty undeniably the case.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
and the more enthusiastic of them take \u201ccounterreformation\u201d into an outright pagan direction – throwing any caution about being seen to worship mary into the wind, forming little personality cults, or getting really excited about Tolkien, or seeing the antichrist shit that the 19th century popes threw about when they were losing temporal power and going \u201cwow cool, i think the pope should be a SUPER TYRANT and not just over his little patch of italy but all over the world and Mars too!\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Some of the Tolkien tradcaths seem to me to be going in a different direction and remind me a little of those syncretist catholics you get in South America – like the Pachamama business, where the syncretism is very very obvious and the bishops Hang A Lampshade on the whole affair. I guess I\u2019d call them \u201cnew age\u201d.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
it\u2019s a pleasing and tidy thought but i don\u2019t think it\u2019s true. like \u201cprotestant\u201d is not a generic name for \u201coffshoots of the Latin church\u201d. \u201cprotestant\u201d refers to a very specific ecclesiastical current grounded in issues from 500 years ago … Continue reading