Why Traditionalists Are Not Protestants

it’s a pleasing and tidy thought but i don’t think it’s true.

like “protestant” is not a generic name for “offshoots of the Latin church”. “protestant” refers to a very specific ecclesiastical current grounded in issues from 500 years ago

some protestants like to point to offshoots *before* the 16th century and go “lol it us”. sometimes this became true because, like, although the Waldensians started in the 12th century, they hung around long enough so that they joined up with the Calvinists, so you can reasonably call them pre- protestants or something. And the Hussites of course

but like albigensians or the early slightly heterodox church fathers? not convincing to me.

similarly, I don’t find a claim that the trad caths are protestants to be convincing. in reformation theology terms, the currents they draw on are *counterreformational* ones, and they make sounds that it is the mainstream church that has moved in a protestant direction. i think this is pretty undeniably the case.

and the more enthusiastic of them take “counterreformation” into an outright pagan direction – throwing any caution about being seen to worship mary into the wind, forming little personality cults, or getting really excited about Tolkien, or seeing the antichrist shit that the 19th century popes threw about when they were losing temporal power and going “wow cool, i think the pope should be a SUPER TYRANT and not just over his little patch of italy but all over the world and Mars too!”

Some of the Tolkien tradcaths seem to me to be going in a different direction and remind me a little of those syncretist catholics you get in South America – like the Pachamama business, where the syncretism is very very obvious and the bishops Hang A Lampshade on the whole affair. I guess I’d call them “new age”.

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Mr. Tolkien the Magus

trying out the idea that Tolkien was broken by the Great War and reforged by a trauma-spirit (what are they called in Worm again?) that led to a genius growing inside him, covered by a triple personality-shell of 1) being a perfect Catholic boy devoted to the Virgin Mary and Daily Eucharist, 2) being a harmless, old-fashioned don and 3) being a popular writer of simple romances. Fixing his personality on these things allowed an indeterminate None Of The Above genius to form – outstandingly powerful, effective and hard to grasp.

Slightly glib comparisons from the same era would be that this is the same mode in which Hitler’s genius was born, or more accurately like Major-General “Boney” Fuller, or that other British officer who had some sort of guardian angel type initiation and communed with dead soldiers a lot.

I have seen remarkably little exploring the idea of Tolkien as a magician, which since I started thinking about it this morning I find extraordinary and also not extraordinary. Middle Earth is an obvious locus for spooks of all kinds, from creepy trad caths to Led Zeppelin, but speculation about Who Is This Tolkien doesn’t go there.

I have been reading The Ring and the Cross, a collection of essays and I am afraid to say the state of Who Is This Tolkien discourse presented is not illuminating. There are essentially two parties represented in it: catholicoids who are trying to claim Tolkien as something between “the best of us” and “an inspired prophet”, and worldlings who are like “haha you guys are going a bit too far, I think, you know you can read a lot of things into this…”. The most provocative essay in the collection is “Pagan Tolkien” by Ronald Hutton who goes slightly one step beyond this defensive secular line and says that in the (small) corpus of Tolkien’s recorded thoughts about himself there is some sus stuff in there – a lot of biographical gaps people are papering over, a lot of an old man rewriting things that the young man wrote down, some deletions in letters, a little too much glibness in writing to people asking him to Explain Himself.

I think this is not extraordinary because if I am right to take Tolkien as a magus, then his ability to Keep Silent about doing so great a Work is another mark of his being puissant. The 20th century magi everyone has heard of are famous for being very bad at that part.

two and a half points i forgot to include:

a) In the Space Trilogy, Lewis pegs Tolkien as a magus right away. Like, literally. In that guileless “this lion… is Jesus….” way of his, Lewis says “you see this philologist? the one who ascends through the seven heavens, does battle with evil forces, returns marked, forms a White Lodge and summons planetary spirits to destroy a Black Lodge disguised as materialists? That’s my pal Tolkien that is!”

b) The Inklings, collectively, are not even trying to hide their New Aeon ooooh we are edgy stuff. The unreticent Lewis writes biographies and becomes a hero to born-again ex-wiccans, not entirely deservingly. That’s one way to hide. Tolkien’s is better because it hides the fact he has anything to hide (if he did have anything to hide)

b.5) one of the essayists finds striking Tolkien’s belief that the solar principle was extremely secondary, and the highest principle is “starlight”. idk why this tugged my sus rope, but it did.

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Tolkien and Simulation

i think i have underconsidered the importance of the clever heretic tolkien’s belief in secondary creation to the simulationist current of religion

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On Cremation

what i find most distasteful about the modern cremation rite is you do not see any burning. the cremations i have been to are crudely dramatic, with recorded music, electric motors and an absurd curtain covering the coffin as your sign to fuck off out of the “sacristry”. grim 20th century ritual.

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On St. Mr. Democritus

Democritus is only the go to name because he’s in the scientific mythology as one of the brief “ancient names” mentioned to add important Classical References to the heroes and acts of the early modern project of “Science”

the way that science ended up developing (i.e. away from Christ to an extent that would alarm most of the saints in the early modern part of the scientific mythology), it would seem that the number one Classical Ornament to scientific atomism, to be included in the schoolboy hagiographies, should be Lucretius, whose On the Nature of Things anticipated a lot more of scientific atomism and its consequences than Democritus.

This is to be expected from a brief comparison of the two philosophers: Democritus was a filthy pre-Socratic who has the usual symptoms of a) having only a few surviving fragments, b) being viewed through his Academic enemies and c) living at the beginning of the rationalist end of Antiquity. On The Nature of Things is the product of 500 further years of rationalists thinking hard about the consequences of classical atomism whilst living in rationalist ideoreligions such as Epicureanism

But he isn’t. I think this is for several reasons.

I think firstly because the purpose of the “ancient names” is just to add colour to teaching physics, like dropping Phoebus or Jupiter in an early modern occasional poem, and Democritus is as good a name as Lucretius.

Secondly, because until the 20th century it was indecent to be an Epicurean (and almost mandatory now in official Science), but pre-Socratics are mysterious enough to be vague Pagan worthies.

Thirdly, although Lucretius was known in the Renaissance, the love of him doesn’t get into the right circles – the Royal Society has someone who translates him into English, but the people who Fucking Love him are all Italian politicians or, later, weird Germans like Goethe who also don’t fit into the standard hagiography.

Fourthly, I think the development of scientific atomism happened late enough (i.e. the late 19th and early 20th centuries) that the people involved had moved beyond any emotional need to find Ancients to attach to their ideas, so they retained the figure of Democritus out of inertia.

Around the same time they quickly worked out atoms weren’t atomic and somehow this surprise got attached to the commonplace you see above, and that I heard several times as a schoolchild that Democritus (here acting as a metonym for classical atomism) was a silly because you can split atoms after all!

This is unsound thinking because it is the application of Particle Physics Brain to science (see also the strange charisma, big swinging dicks and loud voices to dictate the 20th century chapter of the scientific hagiography that particle physicists had until quite recently when it became apparent the bottom had fallen out of the field some time ago without anyone noticing). Scientific atomism was a productive theory before particle physicists attempted to split atoms apart, because it put all chemistry on a rational footing which is not nothing – because if you put chemistry on a rational footing (Dalton working out accounting tricks in the early 19th century), you also put biochemistry on a rational footing (our hero Wöhler synthesises urea blah blah), and when you do that you put biology on a rational footing (this part is washed over because there doesn’t seem to be any clear point between Wöhler and the molecular biologists where Scientists stopped being vitalists) and when you do that you put Epicureanism on a rational footing. All of this without caring very much about how strong the binding of the internal structure of atoms is. And it is this sort of atomism that is developed by the classical atomists, albeit poorly.

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They Wanted You To Know Linguistics

This is from the foreword of The French Language (2nd Ed. 1953) by Alfred Ewert M.A. Litt.D. in the Faber and Faber “The Great Languages” series.

In 1933, when the first edition was published, it was still reasonable to expect that language learning would proceed on an increasingly scientific basis and that a textbook of French for “the upper forms of schools” (i.e. 17 to 18 year olds) would be well written if every section included copious references to historical development from the Latin, with the Appendix of selected texts beginning with “Pro Deo amur et pro christian poblo…”

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Cookbooks Don’t Tell You How to Eat

one thing i have noticed with evocational grimoires is this pattern: they have complicated methods of evoking spirits with big diagrams, long formulae, barbarous words, methods for escalating to higher tiers, what sort of space weather there should be… but little with what to say once they do come. they leave you on your own when it gets to that, by and large.

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Alimony in AD 2022

alimony, as separate from child support, is a little strange and i do not understand at all how it makes complete sense in a post-christian (i.e. marriage is not a remedy against sin intended to last almost but not quite unto the age of ages) or feminist (i.e marriage is not a means of managing male property in and responsibility for women) understanding of divorce.

English courts seem to have a sensible moderate view on the matter. It is still a little old-fashioned, I think because marriage in English law is still only approaching a post-Christian feminist form and a lot of divorcees were married back when societal expectations were that a marriage *was* at least vaguely Christian and patriarchal. It is interesting to observe that no-fault, non-adversarial divorce proceedings filed by mutual consent were only introduced *this year*.

The guidance above is funny because it refers to an antique financial instrument called a “pension” which existed in Christian patriarchy times and explicitly included payments to spouses in case of death and so on. In our prostrwtions to the marketplace we have matured beyond such things 🤲

Sadly though what I get reading from this is that although there are cases involving pensioners, bad health, abject poverty, complicated children situations, equity in businesses, there is definitely some element that alimony is meant for failwives:

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judgments like the above seem to be about maintaining middle class egos as much as anything. it is funny too mee to imagine an existence where not having a “well remunerated employment (!), carrying with it a good pension (!!!)” is one of abject dependency. it is much the same kind of bourgeois amour propre that calls a man a failson for also failing to get… “well remunerated employment carrying with it a good pension”.

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On Extinction Rebellion et al.

the class war element is wrong because these people are not nobles. they’re workers and petty bourgeois. they are dressed in working men’s clothes. people aren’t stopping because there’s a feudal relation of duty between them. they are stopping because it is a rule in society not to murder people even if they are asking for it

so this class analysis is wrong, but what is right in it? Nothing, as expressed, but there is a certain trend in some revolutionary thought that proposes the dichotomy of “Revolutionary Man” v “Reactionary Nature” – if man is capable of reforming the world by overcoming nature, then those elements of society which oppose this reformation are allied with Nature that fights back. And there is some truth to this – by some of its proponents the feudal system is not just a particular mode of society but the Natural Way of Things – a Lord lives in a manor in a similar way that the mountain in his domain does. And as the feudal system became less and less a brute fact of life, and the Romanticism of revolution took over more and more things, reactionary thinkers of this anti-Romantic line grew more and more keen on the notion of a Nature fighting back against everything the thinkers didn’t like.

In the last century, various thinkers in this tradition developed a consciousness of themselves, quite different from earlier political consciousnesses, in the form of the Green Movement (as they call themselves) or Gaians (as I polemically call them).

What unites them is a worshipful attitude towards an abstract Nature and an anxiety about its manifestation in the world. There are Left Gaians and there are Right Gaians. There are rich Gaians and there are poor Gaians. But all of them share this attitude and anxiety. It is, at heart, misanthropy, megalomania and the will to power, all in the worst possible faith.

What Gaians find worshipful about Nature is that Nature does not Do Things. “Doing Things is Evil” as the rationalist saying goes and one relieves oneself of a great deal of anxiety, of ταραξια, by Not Doing Things. Nature simply *exists* but kills people, brings innumerable beings to life, destroys their wealth, is the source of everything that growe, casts down the proud, raises the humble, and all this it does without Doing Things. Nature is wonderful. Nature is powerful. Nature is free from sin.

Nature does not speak. You cannot reason with Nature. Nature does not know pity.

This is the power that Gaians try to manifest in their lives. Of course they are not Nature – they are people, so they live in a society of rules, reason, compassion and Doing Things. But it is possible sometimes to manifest Nature a little by, for instance, being unruly, unreasonable, heartless and affecting a pose of Not Doing Things – that is, sitting down on the road and thinking “glacier” or “redwood” or “earthquake” or “bears eating everyone i hate” very hard.

What do they get from this? Narcissistic supply mostly, but just as a Roman priest processing through the town bearing the azymus in a golden monstrance is manifesting Christ as a sign for earthlings to look up from the shit and toil of the world to see a brief glimpse of Heaven (go to church lol), the Gaians are inviting you to look up from the Society of Doing Things to see Nature (join the green party lol)

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Cultural Christian Neurosis

Traditionally Chinese people have lived in a realm where Confucianism, Buddhism and Daoism have operated side by side each adding their own flavour to life and one person may favour one over another while recognising the influence of all of them.

Western people now live in an imaginary where Humanism, Christianity and the New Age occupy similar roles, although Westerners are more anxious about Influence from any of the three they find ego-dystonic, perhaps because it is a relatively new arrangement.

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